Here's the full text of today's interview with Seattle Seahawks offensive coordinator Greg Knapp, courtesy of the team's PR staff.
Opening statement: "I have been reading a little bit that we may run the ball a little more this year, so I got to give you my foundation of where that comes from. It actually starts with my dad. My dad was a high school football coach in Southern California at La Mirada High School, for about 25 years. And he coached offensive line. So I think I got a little smart because I avoided getting my hands in the dirt and getting beat up six months out of the year.
"I played quarterback, but he has always ingrained in me how important the run game is. So I was always around football growing up, with an influence of how important [it was] to take care of the O-line. I played at Sac [Sacramento] State. You guys probably read this. I played quarterback there for four years. [I] signed as a free agent quarterback with the Kansas City Chiefs when John Macovich was the head coach, his last year there. I made it to the last cut. Came back to Sac State, started coaching.
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"I was a graduate assistant running back coach at Sac State, my alma mater. The next year, I got signed by the Raiders. That's how I got into what I call 'training camp QB mode.' I was with the Raiders for four summers: Tom Flores' last year, Mike Shanahan's two years as the head coach, and then Art Shell's first year, first time around. I went down there as a quarterback the first year—that's when there was a 120-man roster, I don't know if you guys covered it when we had a full roster—so I was still a player, but after they cut it down to 80, they needed arms to throw to the receivers and running backs. So I jumped in as a 'camp QB,' if you will, slash coach, because every year I got cut, I went back to coach at Sac State.
"So it was really a good way, in my profession, not to have to move the family around, yet I developed a network and a knowledge, a foundation, to coach ball. As time grew at Sac State, my responsibilities grew, so I got out of that for about a year, and then Shanahan got the O.C. job at San Francisco in '92. [Joe] Montana's elbow…It was at the end of his career. So Mike called me up, knowing that I was at Sac State, and said, 'Hey, would you mind doing the same thing you did for me in'—it was the LA Raiders back then—'San Francisco?' It was only 20 minutes away from where I was coaching.
"So I went to training camp with the Niners in '92, '93 and '94 and they were really quick. What was really good for me was, Coach Seifert and Shanahan worked it out so that I could go to any room during training camp as far as the positions go. So for three summers, I kind of picked: the O-line, Bob McKittrick; Bill McPherson in the defensive room; I went to obviously the quarterback room as much as I could. So I was able to coach at Sac State for nine years, to build this foundation of knowledge of football through these camps. I ended up going to eight training camps when it was all said and done. When Shanahan went to Denver, he took two assistants with him, and that's how I got into San Francisco in '95. I became the quality control coach in San Francisco in 1995, so I worked for Seifert for two years there.
"Then I had to interview with [Steve] Mariucci when he came in because I didn't know him at all. So I interviewed with Mooch, kept my job there for a year, got promoted about halfway through to become quarterbacks coach. Stayed there for six seasons with him. Then he was released. Dennis Erickson came in, [and I] stayed with Dennis for one year. Then I think the rest you guys know. That's when I went with Jim [Mora] to Atlanta. I interviewed with the Raiders for the head job in '04, at the same time Jim was interviewing at Atlanta."
On why he and Coach Mora are so close: "It starts with the families. When I was at San Francisco in '95 and '96, he was still in New Orleans. When Mariucci got the job, he hired Jim. We kind of grew together from a position coach to a coordinator at the same spot. Steve Mariucci was the one that gave us both our first coordinator positions in the NFL. But when it came to the family, he had bought a house in a nearby area—Los Gatos—to where the Niners practiced at. I was living in Fremont. We had kids the same age, so we went over there and had a barbecue one time. There was a couple houses for sale. Long story short—it was during the tech boom—we went across, talked to a neighbor, and talked ourselves into buying the house below the cost. So, for six years, I lived on the same block with Jim. So we did a lot of commuting together and the kids got to know each other. But in those commute times, in those talks, we really talked a lot of philosophy. 'Why do you do this?' 'Why do you do that?' We'd counter each other and challenge each other. We learned about ball together in that environment because we were always around each other."
On when he gave up on trying to be an NFL quarterback: "[Laughs.] It was probably—here's the best example—at the end of my first training camp, which was with Kansas City. We had a scrimmage before the preseason games began. When I got in there, we had a ten-play drive and we scored. Of the ten plays, none were passes called. That's when I kind of knew that I was near the end of my playing career. [Laughs.] It was one of those, 'All right, here's reality' [moments]. I just said, 'That's how it's going to be.' There were only four quarterbacks at Kansas City then, out of 120 guys, so I got a lot of practice time, but not in that scrimmage. The next year, there were eight quarterbacks at training camp with the Raiders. On the depth chart, I was either seven or eight depending on which day it was, so I got no team reps. You can kind of read the writing on the wall."
On whether his ability as a player served as a foot in the door for a coaching career: "That's what helped. Fortunately for me, what else got me into it was that we had some pretty good linemen. In fact, Mike Black—I think he was a draft pick by the Seahawks, this was '86 or '85…I had three linemen that got drafted in the NFL out of Sac State, and we were a Division II non-scholarship program. That brought the scouts in. That got me exposed. Plus, then they could see the arm was pretty decent. Now, I wasn't mobile…But that's kind of how I got exposed to it and got out there."
On whether he always wanted to get into coaching because of his dad: "No. In my aspirations from high school to college, my ultimate goal was going to be a Monday Night Football cameraman. I got my degree in television broadcasting at Sac State. I did an internship with KOVR—it was then an ABC affiliate—down in Sacramento. It was after that internship that I said, 'This might not be the profession for me.' You guys probably know more about that behind-the-scenes stuff than I got to, but I had enough of a taste and said, 'I don't know if I want to do this.' So there was doubt in my mind. Then I went off and signed with the Chiefs, and when I came back, the head coach said, 'Hey, I need a graduate assistant. Would you mind helping out?' And from that first day that I stepped on the field, I said, 'This is it. I don't know what I was thinking.' I love it and enjoy it. So I was always around it, but I never thought I would be it until that first day, and then it was [like], 'This is what I got to do.'"
On why he was initially turned off by coaching: "It wasn't so much [that I was] turned off by it. I was really intrigued by television. I mean, I was one of those kids…I was born in '63, so I got exposed to the '70s television shows and sitcoms and all that stuff. Fortunately, in high school, we had a production studio, so I was in front of the camera [and] behind the camera there. I did production stuff, producing and stuff. Sac State had a good program for it. I was lucky enough to get an internship program there as well. So I kind of enjoyed what I was going through, and then I went through the internship and…back then, cable was not as big, and I found out, 'Okay, I'm going to be going somewhere way far away [if I want to continue on this path],' so that kind of hit me, along with the fact that I had an opportunity to coach. So it wasn't that I didn't want to coach, I was really enjoying the production part of it."
On where his offensive philosophy comes from: "I was exposed to some very good offensive lines. If you think about it, I was really with Mike Shanahan in '92, '93 and '94, in every training camp. I learned from him. I learned a ton of football from Steve Young, because when I joined the Niners as a camp QB, I was 28 years old. When I joined the staff full-time, I was 31 years old. So I was still at an impressionable age to learn from everybody: to learn how to teach it, how to coach it, and what a player needs to know. Fortunately, I was exposed to some bright minds. Bill Walsh was a consultant in '96. I don't know if you guys know his history before he came back and became the GM. For a year, I was in the room with him, Mark Tressman, Matt Cavanaugh, just learning how he taught the West Coast Offense originally—his version of it, the original version. So the foundation of Shanahan, Bill Walsh—which really led me to Mariucci, and that's why there's a familiarity of what's going on here. Mariucci worked for Mike Holmgren. So I've always watched the Seattle offense. I have an admiration for what Mike and Gil Haskell did here for the last ten years because it's very similar to how I was taught. So the foundation I got was really from that background: Mike Shanahan, Bill Walsh and Steve Mariucci, who learned it from Mike.
"But what I've learned from these coaches that I got exposed to was that your personnel's not always going to be the same. That was back when free agency wasn't as big as it is now. And the coaching changes, that's another issue now. The staff changing as much as it changes now is an issue when it comes to planning an offense or a defense. But they always embedded in me, 'You got to adjust. You got to be able to handle…the playbook, but make sure that the personnel fits what stuff you like. Take from that and apply it.' That really was challenged to me when I left San Francisco, where I had Jeff Garcia, Terrell Owens, JJ Stokes, Garrison Hearst, Brent Jones at the beginning of it—I had a lot of good talent outside—to a personnel group in Atlanta, where maybe we weren't quite as pass-happy or strong in the passing game, but we were pretty strong in the run game. So I had a whole other scheme to learn from. Alex Gibbs was the O-line coach. That's where we got to know each other. So I take great pride in [the fact that] I was trained in this foundation of what Mike Holmgren has done here and what I learned from the guys in San Francisco, and then apply those principles in concept, but also took…the other part of the book that's pretty good for us in the run game that we need to apply a little bit more of."
On how he'll go about implementing his philosophy in Seattle: "Don't know yet. That's what we're going through. Last week was the first time, as a staff, we've met. So we are still going through, 'Let's go huddle on the cadence. Here's our different types of cadences.' So we're just hitting that, seeing a lot of tape. I got an idea of personnel, but free agency is still upon us, and we still haven't made a decision on the current guys that are here. I'd love to have them all back because they have a knowledge and foundation, and they've had success here in the offense, but something's going to change. It's the nature of the business. So as we go through that process as a staff right now—I'm meeting a lot with Matt [Hasselbeck], getting a feel for what he's strong and comfortable with—that will determine, 'All right, here's what's going to be what we do.' I can tell you this: it's going to be balanced. We will be a balanced offensive attack. At some places, it's probably been heavier one way or another. I do feel strong enough to say, based on what I've seen on tape, we're going to be strong in both areas: the passing game and the run game. I think that's the toughest way for a defense to defend it. If we can stay balanced—which may mean one week, we're hopefully throwing for 300 [yards], but the next week, we're running for 150 plus [yards] because that's what the defense is giving us—that causes more problems for the next coordinator or two down the line that say, 'Okay, we got to do this, but now we got to handle that look as well.'"
On how his exchanges with Hasselbeck have been going: "It's been great. I was first concerned that, when we first met each other, which was the day after I got here, he says to me, 'Okay, when do you want to get together?' I go, 'Oh! I haven't met the wife yet, and it's January, and you're wanting to have meetings right now!' But he was all for it, and she was all for getting him over here. I said, 'Let's do it,' because I wanted to get to know his brain. So it's been great. It's been more of me finding out what he has been taught and what he's comfortable with so that I know what I can apply, because I do have a pretty good breadth of knowledge from the scheme of…what he's been most comfortable with, and concepts, and protections and personnel."
On whether he's able to be flexible with Hasselbeck's training and experience: "Yes. And what I've told him is this: I'm taking information from him because he's our starting quarterback. God forbid anything happens where he's not that guy—whether it's time or health—I've got to balance it now. I got to decide, 'If I can do this with Matt, can I do that with another quarterback? Can I do that with a brand new quarterback?' Seneca [Wallace] has got enough years of experience that you can do some of that and be okay, but there's still some stuff that Matt's learned through the years more than Seneca has through game experience. And at some point, we may draft a QB, and I've got to make sure that I'm not adhering this offense to one guy. It's based on a new set of guys. This will not be entirely an offense from what I call 'the speed guys.' The skill guys are who? Linemen. The linemen are the skill guys. The speed guys are the running backs, receivers, tight ends and QBs. Don't want to get the linemen upset at you—again, my father was an O-line coach for 25 years. So when it comes to the pass concepts that the speed guys have learned here, that's going to be very similar: the verbiage and the reads and the progressions. Like I said, my foundation in the passing game really came from the background of Mike Holmgren, Bill Walsh, to Steve Mariucci, to Greg Knapp. So I've been exposed to that foundation. So the pass concepts will be similar."
On Alex Gibbs' concepts differing from those aforementioned coaches' philosophies: "That would be true. That's where the zone run game got exposed to me for the very first time. The benefit of that—some of the strengths of that zone run game is this: as history has proven, the parts have changed, whether it was the runner or whether it was the lineman, yet the success has still been pretty productive. So when he and I got together in '04 and looked through the history of who got 1,000 yards or which linemen were there, there were too many changing parts. Yet the success rate was still pretty consistent. It taught me, going back to the comment I made earlier, how there's so much turnover with free agency and coaches, that this is a system that maybe lends better to that environment. It provides a quicker learning curve to get on target and have success. When I was thinking that through with Alex, then I went through it twice: in Atlanta in '04 where we ran the ball successfully our first year out—very successful. And you can say—you guys will do your research—'That's Mike Vick, too.' Well, if you look at Warrick Dunn's numbers and you looked at TJ Duckett's yards per carry, I believe it was one of Warrick's best years—either '04 or '05 was—and TJ Duckett's highest yards per carry average at that point. I don't know if he's done it since then. Then I go to Oakland in '07, and we don't have the Mike Vick [player], yet we still finish I think sixth in the NFL in rushing. I think we were top five until the last week. And that was with guys that really had not been premier guys: Justin Fargas played the most. He got 1,000 yards. It was the first time he got 1,000 yards and it was his first time in this scheme of things. So there's been some proof in my background to say, 'All right, this does happen a little bit faster,' with linemen that weren't necessarily first round picks in Oakland."
On whether he prefers to have a rotation of running backs to just one: "I definitely prefer that. In San Francisco, we had Garrison Hearst and Kevin Barlow. In Atlanta, it was Warrick Dunn and TJ Duckett. Last year, we had three guys who gained over 100 yards in a game. I think it's important, because the game has gotten so physical. The defense has gotten so strong and so fast, it's hard for one back to carry the load. So I'm a big believer in having two, if not three backs involved as the season goes on, in the system. Because I've had success—whether it was in San Francisco with the man blocking scheme, powers and counters and what have you, or even in the zone blocking scheme—I still believe you got to have more than one back in this day and age to get you to the playoffs because it's hard to have one guy to carry through."
On whether it's necessary to have a clearly defined number one receiver or if they can also work in a rotation: "No, that's where I think that the beauty of the pass background I have helps me: there's enough volume there that I can envision, 'Okay, I can put this guy in this position and be okay.' You always like to have one guy that's just the go-to, T.O. type, but that's just not real. There's not 32 of them in the league. But what you do look for is the guy that can provide some type of yards after the catch, because you do want to get completions, you do want to keep the ball moving. That's some of the mindset. But it doesn't have to be a guy that always just tears it up and runs down the field. I don't need one of those guys. You got to have a nice mix of everything. You don't want to have a bunch of possession guys either."
On whether he can foresee completely overhauling the existing blocking scheme: "We will probably influence what was here in place before, with a little more zone run blocking than there was before."
On whether Coach Solari is familiar with this scheme: "Yes. He did it in Kansas City, and did some of it here last year, it just wasn't emphasized to the point where we're probably going to emphasize it."
On how hard it is for the linemen to learn the zone blocking scheme: "Well, like I said, when I started up in '04, it was the first time I had ever done a zone game. It did take about half a year for the backs and the linemen to get on [the same] page, but there was still success even during the first half of the season, of what we like to call, 'staying on schedule.' That's one thing that's a benefit of the zone run game: you limit the possibilities of negative runs. In man blocking schemes, if you have penetrations, they're going to get you in the backfield, and there's a possibility of negative [yardage]. So now, instead of first and ten going to second and eight, it's first and ten going to second and 12, and not staying on schedule. So we want to stay on schedule as an offense. That's what the zone run game does for you, so that when you get to third down, they're more manageable third downs. They're not into third and long situations, and not helping the book for the defensive play-call."
On whether his predominant personnel has resulted in a base offense: "It'll be dictated on what our personnel is on offense. So when we get down to our roster, we will definitely adhere to…[If] we have three really good receivers, we're going to be in three-wide more. We got a great pass-receiving tight end and a fluid run game, we'll stay in base a little bit more. There will probably not be as much four-wides, but you'll see some four-wide alignments. It might be with the tight end. The tight end here, John Carlson's a great pass-receiving tight end, so let's get him outside. Let's get him off the line attachment so he can get a cleaner release. We'll look at that from an information standpoint. But it'll be dictated by the personnel once we have that."
On whether he changed his style in Oakland from his style in Atlanta: "Yeah. I would say in Atlanta, we used a little bit more three-wides, where as we didn't do that as much in Oakland because the personnel didn't dictate that to us."
On whether the transition from Seattle's current scheme to the zone scheme will be noticeable to normal viewers: "I don't know if it would be seen by the untrained eye. What I would look for if I was an untrained eye was [if they're staying on schedule]. You're seeing a more decisive back running style, where we're going to emphasize, 'You're taking this path, and you've got one cut to go downhill, one cut, bounce outside.' A little less dance, a little more decisiveness. It might be easy to say, 'Well, that back, I don't know if he's like that or not.' Well, Warrick Dunn had never done the zone run game.
"Gus Bradley, two nights ago when we were here until whatever hour, he comes over and says, 'Hey, I don't know what you did, but Warrick Dunn loves what you guys did in Atlanta.' And he was a guy that went from that man scheme, and you could see his transformation of [having] a little bounce to [running] this line, one cut downhill, one cut bounce outside based on [what] we teach. So we've taken some backs that have never been exposed to it and had some really good success with it. So, if we stay on schedule and you see a more decisive running back, that's probably what you'll see. In the technical world, you're going to see a little more combo blocks, with guards and tackles working together, tackles and tight ends working together, and guards and centers, and not having that one lineman have to block that one technique all day long."
On whether he'll make personnel changes to the offensive line based on building a lighter line, more typical of a zone scheme: "No. We feel that the personnel that's here, we can be very efficient [with it]. And we're talking about the zone game because it's new here, but the balance is important too. We've got to be able to do some man blocking schemes. It makes it hard on a defensive front seven to defend if we do mix in a power, a counter, because that way, they can't just line up [and say], 'All right, let's go play zone run game.' So we do need to have some guys that can do that as well, and there's a good mixture of linemen that are currently here. That helps us out."
On how many teams in the NFL currently run a zone scheme: "I couldn't give you the exact number. When I'm watching tape during the season, it's probably less than half a dozen that do it all the time. I think every team's got a flavor of it, got some type of it, but don't emphasize it maybe as much."
On why more teams don't implement the zone scheme: "I think it's just knowledge. Is that line coach or that coordinator comfortable with that scheme? If you don't have that knowledge, you're probably not going to use it as much. Unlike some other passing trees that have been exposed from a coaching standpoint, I don't think the run game has been exposed as much from the outside. You might actually see more of it in college than you do see it at the pro level."
On what his ideal offense entails: "Balance, it really is balance. I'm a firm believer if I can take a game plan this week—say we're going to throw the ball 30-40 times. Then next week, say it's our intention of running the ball 30 or 40 times to win this game, I love that. It makes it so much harder on a defensive coordinator. It also takes the stress off. [It's not like] this year we're going to be pass-setting all the time, or telling the running backs they have to grind it out. If I can achieve balance that means it's probably a balanced personnel group, too. Then we will be good. There is enough of that foundation here that you can work with. It starts with the quarterback, we have a quarterback who can make a lot of good decisions and put us in a lot of good situations. That is the ultimate driving force."
On teams in the NFL that have a balanced offense: "Seattle is definitely one of them, and they had some struggles last year. The injury situation was just brutal. What Mike [Holmgren] and Gil [Haskell] have done through the years has been what I have looked at consistently. I have enjoyed watching what Denver has done to complement the zone run game, in their play action, their keeper action. What Mike [Shanahan] did there with the zone running scheme was important for me to know when I first got together with Alex [Gibbs]. Who else would I say that I have watched a ton of? In the offseason I will look at big chunk reels, [like] Mike Martz's offense and how they utilize seven-, eight-man protection and try to tie it up and not get away too much from what I believe. Those have been some good things to see as far as getting chunks, and an explosive pass game."
On losing the play-calling responsibilities in Oakland this past season: "It was the owner's decision. [It probably happened because of] the speculation that I wasn't going to be there, and 20 of the 21 coaches were at the last end of their contracts. There was no re-ups on their contracts. That probably didn't help the case. The owner probably had it in his mind that, 'Greg [Knapp] may not be here next year, and Tom [Cable], you need to do this.' I think it was more driven [by that] than anything else. It is a variable I don't control. We teach our players as coaches [that] there are certain situations you control and others you don't. Only worry about the ones you control, and that one, I couldn't. I went back to doing what I did before when Lane [Kiffin] was the play-caller, which was to emphasize getting the young quarterback getting better and better."
On lessons he's learned the past two seasons in Oakland: "We're going to apply here—as far teaching formations and motions—[things] I learned from Lane Kiffin. What he exposed me to do, what he forced me and exposed me to do will be helpful for young players coming to our team. He taught me that at SC (USC), they had to play freshman right away because their young receivers were getting drafted sophomore, junior year or whenever their third year was up. He had been taught, and learned how, and trained into an offense, a better way to call formations and motions that were simpler for a young player to learn, faster. That is something that will be new to everybody here. One of the situations with the West Coast is the formations have just added on and on, through the history of time. There is a more simplistic way of doing the same thing, and giving the flexibility to the coach and the players to learn that. That was one of the things I got out of my years at Oakland: how much more user-friendly the formation and motion can be, and yet still not change the pass concepts or the run game."
On any changes in Matt Hasselbeck running a new offense: "There will be. Each coordinator has their own little flavor. There will be some different concepts that he hasn't been exposed to or maybe he has tinkered with once or twice. He has been here so many years that he has been taught [things] that will be emphasized here. I can't give you those secrets, because that is something I keep in my back pocket until we play the real games. There will be some stuff that is different than what has been seen in the past from Matt."
On the differences between Matt and the other quarterbacks he has previously worked with: "I have been lucky enough to be exposed to some quarterbacks that are in that same mold as Matt. Steve Young, by the end of his career, was a pocket guy who could still move. Matt does the same thing. We drafted a young guy in Atlanta when I was there, Matt Schaub. He was more of a pocket [passer], less Mike Vick. That was good. There is enough knowledge from me with other guys I have worked with that I can say can fit. It ultimately comes down to what I see Matt doing in practice OTAs, mini-camps, training [camp], and say, 'Here is what we need to emphasize once the season starts out.' He does give you so many options that you don't feel restricted. I don't feel like I can't do this with Matt. I don't have that feeling at all. It is more so that feeling with other guys you meet to emphasize their strengths. Matt gives you so many options that it is not a concern."
On the similar situations between going to Atlanta and coming to Seattle: "Experience for both of us [he and Coach Mora] will help. To go through what we went through [already]…The experience factor will help us make that startup mode. To me, this is a startup company: there is some carry-over but you still have two new coordinators and a head coach. There are some startup vernacular and the way we do things is going to happen. The experience has taught us how to get there quicker. Is it the same? I think time will tell. I can't guarantee that is going to be the case because there was more of a change for me in Atlanta. The system was completely new, and here, there isn't that big of a change when it comes to the pass concepts. Even [in] the running game, there's some pretty good carry-over. Hopefully the learning curve will happen faster for us here."
On TJ Duckett's role in the offense next season: "…In Atlanta, we really were just zone all the way. There was no pulling linemen. In fact, in '04, we may never have pulled a lineman all year. We kept it really simple because it was so brand new. But because there is some carryover for these guys here in the run and the pass game, with TJ here, because he's got a background in it, it's going to be an easy transition for him…Because we will do more than just the zone run game—we'll do some man schemes and power schemes—he'll fit the role nicely. There's going to be plenty of reps for him to be efficient in this offense."
On whether Hasselbeck will definitely be the starter come minicamps: "As far as I know. I'm not worried about it right now because it's down the line for us, but as far as I know, that's the anticipation."
On how he would characterize his coaching style: "High-energy. I am pretty sarcastic, so in the meetings, I will keep the guys alive. I'm sure you've been in the auditorium. I will not be the guy that stands up in the front of the room and says, 'All right, here is such-and-such a play,' and all of a sudden the guys [tune your voice out]. I am the guy that walks around and will pop quiz you, and say, 'All right, what's the formation if we flop it? Give it to me.' Then I'll go to this guy and I'll say, 'We'll start with that protection. Who are you starting with?' And so, you'll get a lot of that out of me. You'll get a lot of interaction with the players. You won't get many highs and lows, though. I'm not a believer in that. We get a big win, you're going to see me pretty calm. We have a tough loss, you're going to see me pretty calm. I've learned that's the best way for me to handle the length of this season: to keep the thing pretty steady so we keep the focus on the task at hand for the next week."
On whether the conversation ever lagged when he and Coach Mora were in the car together: "[Laughs.] No. He will keep the pedal down. He's a higher-energy guy [than I am], which most defensive guys are. You'll see it on the field more from him than you will from me, because us offensive guys, we're a little bit more cerebral, we're trying to process the information, where as [with] defense, it's like, 'Go get 'em. Sic 'em.' There was a lot of that during the drives."
On whether he saw this coaching opportunity in Seattle coming: "It was a hope. It was a wish for me that it would happen that way, but there are no guarantees. I've learned that, in this business, all it takes is one day and things change dramatically from any wide amount of variables that are included. I was hoping it would play out this way because I love working for Jim. I love the organization. I've always admired from afar what Paul Allen and [Tim] Ruskell and Tod Leiweke have done here, so I was hoping it would be the case. But I told the wife from day one, 'No guarantees. Let's do our job at hand and let's worry about what happens afterwards.' You just can't control it. There are just too many variables that change."